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Is Mater in love with Holley? -- TheSitcomLover 3:50, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

"Secondary tritagonist" term?

I've noticed that the article says Holley is the "secondary tritagonist in Cars 2", just that I remember RRabbit42 saying "Defining things as the "less than a third-level protagonist" is a bit ridiculous" in his summary of removing "secondary tritagonist" on Disney Wiki's page for Planes character Ishani. I'm wondering what we should put for this page. --Lightening McQueen (talk) 22:06, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

What do you think we should put? --Lightening McQueen (talk) 16:24, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
I would agree "secondary tritagonist" is a bit overdone. How would we call her then? Maybe "supporting character"? I must say I don't care a lot about all these names... Sometimes I wonder if we shouldn't just call all of them "characters"...--Gray Catbird (talk) 25px-Gray_catbird_cars.jpg 23:13, April 24, 2015 (UTC)
I suppose to go with "supporting character", since there doesn't seen to be a real term for someone who is like the fourth main character. Even Adrew34 had put on Disney Wiki back in January 2015 that Ishani is "a major character". --Lightening McQueen (talk) 14:28, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
Additionally, I've put the "supporting character" term on Holley's Disney Wiki page, when it had said "tetartagonist", which does not seem to be a real word. --Lightening McQueen (talk) 22:36, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I've done the edit, along with other stuff like correcting the engine type shown on Stitch Kingdom, and doing subsections for the gallery. --Lightening McQueen (talk) 16:26, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
This issue had slipped out of my mind... Thanks a lot! --Gray Catbird (talk) 25px-Gray_catbird_cars.jpg 16:30, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

I stopped by here on a whim to check to see if antagonist/protagonist fussing phrases were being used. About two years after this discussion, her description was changed to "tetartagonist", a made-up word which sometimes means "there are four equally-important characters and this is one of those four" and sometimes it means "this character is fourth-most important". On occasion, it's used for antagonists instead.

"Tritagonist" is also used in both senses: "three equally-important characters" or a "third-most important character". Then you add secondary in front of it and the meanings change to "this is one of the three equally-important characters, but they're less important than those other two, so they're no longer equally as important any more" or else it becomes "out of all the third-most important characters, this one is even less important".

As you can see, adding a "secondary" or "tertiary" qualifier makes it contradictory and inaccurate. More general statements avoid those problems. I just updated the page to remove its use completely. It now starts with "Holley Shiftwell is a secret agent who assists Finn McMissile...", immediately giving her role in the movie, rather than trying to pin a label on her. —RRabbit42 (leave a message) 02:45, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I like this much more! --Jeff (talk) 04:08, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
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